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Poster: johnnyonthespot Date: Jun 5, 2014 10:06am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Need some recommendations please

My wife split last Oct.NO need for any condolences. I WAS heartbroken for awhile but I am so much happier now. Life truly does go on and sometimes devastating change ends up being a blessing in disguise and that is what has turned out to be the case for me. Anyway I digress....

I've been seeing this wonderful woman Since March. She has an 18 year old son who is amazingly freaking cool.He is intellectually and maturity wise WAY beyond his age.I get along with him so well I not only consider him a true friend, I have informed his Mom that if for whatever reason we were to stop seeing each other her Son and I would still hang out ( seriously ). Anyway he has eclectic and great taste in music. HUGE Velvet Underground and Lou Reed fan ( as am I ), he also is big into experimental jazzy type music.He likes a ton of bands I've never even heard of his favorite being Don Cabellero. Anyway naturally I have been trying to turn him on to the Grateful Dead and am happy to say that he has been impressed and surprised. Last night I played the Seastones/Phil and Ned from 9-11-74 ( you tube ) and so far this is by far the favorite thing by the band he's heard. So who has recommendations of the best Phil and Ned/Seastones, or versions of Space, or other of their most out there stuff. I know plenty of their great and unusual and legendary meltdowns but would like to hear input from you guys.

Haven't been on here in a long time hope you're all doing well and again NO need to say your sorry I only brought that up so anyone who knows me wouldn't be confused why I was seeing someone.

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Poster: elbow1126 Date: Jun 5, 2014 11:18am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Need some recommendations please

Sorry that i can not help with Seastones recs, but i do have a question. Does the kid listen to this music on his iPod or iPhone and is he a big fan of the iTunes music store?

Glad you stopped and that you are well John.

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Poster: johnnyonthespot Date: Jun 6, 2014 11:04pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Need some recommendations please

Thanks for the well wishes. Good to see you. He does spotify and some other sites but he hates apple products. Yet another thing him and I have in common : )

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Poster: johnnyonthespot Date: Jun 6, 2014 11:04pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Need some recommendations please

Thanks for the well wishes. Good to see you. He does spotify and some other sites but he hates apple products. Yet another thing him and I have in common : )

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Poster: William Tell Date: Jun 5, 2014 11:18am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Need some recommendations please

Hey j--good to see ya, and grt to hear of the changes leading to a positive outcome...as it sometimes can. Cool.

Got nothin on ur request, but--don't neglect 68.

;)

U might even consider 67 cream as I know ur a huge fan.

;)

!!

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Poster: johnnyonthespot Date: Jun 6, 2014 11:01pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Need some recommendations please

Good to see you too Tell. How'd I know you'd bring up Cream? Ive played the 2-13-70 Dark Star and he liked it. He is totally into the Seastone jams amd space. He likes noise and free form jazz stuff more than blues influenced. Plan on playing some 68 and 69 era stuff

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Poster: dyneq Date: Jun 6, 2014 4:27pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Need some recommendations please

Very cool that you've made a new friend for life and that you bond on the music!

For Spaces, I have to admit that I will skip them sometimes, although I have listened to many. I started going to shows in 88 when Jerry started playing with MIDI (he had a strat set up just for MIDI), so I experienced some cool, freaky Spaces. I'm pretty sure that there was a thread a while back on best Spaces?

The one that stands out from a recording for me is 6/24/85:

https://archive.org/details/gd1985-06-24.sbd.harrell.8198.shnf

The one I remember as being the coolest to experience was 6/20/92.

https://archive.org/details/gd92-06-20.dsbd.gardner.2207.sbefail.shnf

As far as 'out there' goes, IMO you can never go wrong with a 72 Dark Star. This one is my favorite now, but I haven't gotten all the way through them yet:

https://archive.org/details/gd1972-04-29.sbd.miller.125888.flac16

Have you visited http://www.headyversion.com/ yet? Great way to find what you're looking for!

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Poster: johnnyonthespot Date: Jun 6, 2014 11:08pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Need some recommendations please

Thanks for the links. I played him the 6-28-91 drums space from Denver. Its a nice one. Yeah its been great rapping our love of music. My poor girlfriend ( his Mom ) gets left out. Its all good she thinks its great.

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Poster: fenario80 Date: Jun 10, 2014 8:28am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Need some recommendations please

I'd throw in the 10-31-71 Dark Star at some point, DP #2 I keep going back to that one myself. Good to hear from you!

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Poster: bluedevil Date: Jun 7, 2014 2:23am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Need some recommendations please

I am NOT sorry - I am happy for you. Maybe Salmonfest is a must this year....

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Poster: johnnyonthespot Date: Jun 7, 2014 11:38am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Need some recommendations please

Thanks BD. Long time no hear hope all is well. I really want to go especially see Hard working Americans. Not sure i'll have the extra funfs. If I do it will probably be last minute.

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Poster: johnnyonthespot Date: Jun 7, 2014 11:38am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Need some recommendations please

Thanks BD. Long time no hear hope all is well. I really want to go especially see Hard working Americans. Not sure i'll have the extra funfs. If I do it will probably be last minute.

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Poster: Wrong-way Billy Date: Jun 5, 2014 12:13pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Need some recommendations please

You might enter "Feedback" into the search window at the top of the main GD page here, assuming he likes VU like Sister Ray, Heroin, etc. where they melt down a bit. The ending of some of those late 60s shows can be mindbending.

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Poster: whirlwind dreamer 65-95 Date: Jun 7, 2014 4:10pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Need some recommendations please

Check out this show for some good o'l southern rock j.o.t.s. jamm it loud!!! http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pUKiPTq0Oe4

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Poster: Go Faster, Get Rounder Date: Jun 20, 2014 1:21pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Need some recommendations please

Well, I have a couple recommendations for you.

For all of these, however, you need to download them (e.g., from a bit torrent client using links to the shows from Etree), put them on CD, and play them back on a conventional stereo capable of reproducing bass well below 40 hz.

Play these LOUD. I really and truly mean LOUD. I like seeing music live best, but if I am not seeing it live, I like playing back live music at high volume. So I like loud music, I'll admit. But, even considering my proclivity for loud music, these next recommendations are ones that truly won't work unless they are played back at genuinely high volume. Good music is always better loud. The best music demands to be listened to loud.

No freaking little bitty headphone, earbuds, car stereo, or crappy stereo for this stuff: That would be like signing the Mona Lisa with a spray can and calling it art, if not outright blasphemy. Part of the reason the Grateful Dead can do something that I have never felt with any other band is because you FEEL it too. You need to be listening to the music and feeling Phil at the same time. Especially for these recommendations.

This first recommendation is a 68 show that displays several sides to the band from the more raw and primal stuff to more jazz influenced. I consider this truly prime stuff:

https://archive.org/details/gd1968-02-02.sbd.miller.97345.sbeok.flac16

This next recommendation is also pretty much at the top of my short list of best of the best. It's not just me: This night and string of shows were highly regarded by some pretty knowledgeable Deadheads,e.g., Dick Latvala. This is from the night after (9/28/72) the show that appeared on DP 11 (9/27/72).

https://archive.org/details/gd1972-09-28.sbd.miller.94268.sbeok.flac16

https://archive.org/details/gd1972-09-28.110020.sbd.BEAR.gem.flac16

(These are both very good quality copies.)

The whole show is great, but the second set has NEVER LEFT my frequently played rotation since I got a copy of it in 1984. They just whip your emotions every which way throughout the second set. If I could commend your attention to one hour of particularly fine music in particular:

He's Gone [12:26] > The Other One [28:18] > Me And Bobby McGee [5:44] > The Other One [3:32] > Wharf Rat [10:25] ;

Phil does some of the coolest work ever during the jam out of He's Gone (before he solos with Bill). He lays these incredibly cool runs across the top that to this day make me laugh out loud when I hear it -- it is just too cool. The Other One is seminal: One of the best ever. About 20-25 minutes into The Other One, they melt it down and Jerry lets loose with a ferocious Tiger that makes you grin and wince at the same time. They then turn on a dime from playing a totally harshed out "Tiger" to playing a totally beautiful, mellow, and sublime "Bobby McGee," and if it isn't the best Bobby McGee ever done, I don't know what would be: It is just exquisite.

Writing about the transition between The Other One and Bobby McGee is truly like dancing about architecture: An exercise in futility. You simply have to experience yourself. Whatever you do, listen to this loud. If you only ever listen to one hour of music in your whole life at a really high volume level, make it this one.

I normally listen mostly to 68-74, with a decent percentage up through 82, and not as much of the later stuff (keyboards too high for my taste and Phil and Bob too low). But, one later thing that I have been listening to regularly since it happened is this Estimated:

https://archive.org/details/gd84-10-05.sbd.sacks.2591.sbeok.shnf

(I sure hope there is a better SBD in the vault and that they release it as a Dave's Picks or something.)

I would also absolutely get a good AUD of it and listen to it that way too. I think this one is pretty darn good:

https://archive.org/details/gd1984-10-05.nak300.holtz.gems.87757.sbeok.flac16

If you are playing this back properly, good system and really, really LOUD, when you get about 4:45 into it you should be thinking that your walls are going to start blowing apart and that your brain will be blowing apart shortly after that. Now imagine what that was like when you were there in a kinda rickety, shaky old place. I wasn't there for Phil's Earthquake space, but I can imagine what it was like. This couldn't have been that far off.

Also, don't miss the Viola Lee Blues, Dancing in the Streets, That's It for the Other One, Good Loving, and Morning Dew from Harpur College (5/2/70) (Dick's Picks 8). Those are all great versions. Then, listen to the beast when it is more refined, yet still at the height of its considerable powers: Oklahoma City Fairgrounds, 10/19/73 (Dick's Picks 19). The Dark Star --> Mind Left Body Jam --> Morning Dew string in particular deserves your undivided attention (and that won't be hard to give)and best efforts at cranking your volume as high as you can.

Other things worth mentioning in particular include 12/8/68; 2/27/69 - 3/2/69; 4/21/69 (That's It for the Other One); 6/8/69 (Dancing through New Potato); 2/11/70; 9/19/70 (Dark Star); 2/18/70 (has "Beautiful Jam", but whole show is great); 11/20 and 21/73 (Road Trips); and pretty much anything from September, October, and November 1972 and most of 1973.

Hope this helps.

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Poster: snow_and_rain Date: Jun 6, 2014 11:28am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Need some recommendations please

Try this...

https://archive.org/details/paf1975-11-22.early.124127.aud.flac16

It's really not my thing at all, but I've also heard people recommend this one...

https://archive.org/details/gd1974-08-06.126356.mtx.dusborne.flac16

This post was modified by snow_and_rain on 2014-06-06 18:28:55

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Poster: johnnyonthespot Date: Jun 6, 2014 10:59pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Need some recommendations please

Thanks for the links. I get into these jams from time to time but this kid is loving them its great.

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Poster: wilfredtjones Date: Jun 8, 2014 3:44am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Need some recommendations please

Dude, johnnyonthespot. Get him the 5 disc GD Movie soundtrack. There's no Phil and Ned I don't think, but it does have a track called 'Weirdness'. There are myriad other jams and morsels to be found on the set as well. There's really nothing else like it. Your new pal might get off on some of the other jams and tunes and might be attracted to the sets overall unique sound as well. If you really want to be nice to him, score him a copy of the movie in Bluray or DVD.

Good luck in your pursuits and swell on you to turn on a newbie! :-) I hope my recommendations help. Here's a link to the movie soundtrack:

GD Movie Soundtrack

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Poster: johnnyonthespot Date: Jun 8, 2014 1:05pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Need some recommendations please

By now I have a pretty good feel for what he'll go for. I'm picking and choosing jams and meltdowns im trying not to over expose haha. I'd like to have that sound track myself. I have to be completely honest though I pretty much never spend money on GD anymore. Ive bought complete studio and the jerry box is awesome but music wise lets face it the cats long been out of the bag. I already have more than I listen to. I've spent more than my share on merchandising and tickets so I dont feel guilty and id never download a commercial release. I wish theyd release more video. I dont give a shit if the quality isnt perfect that I would definitely buy.